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joAnn15
Which interior wall paint brand has the flattest flat finish?
joAnn15

I am looking for an absolutely flat good quality paint that has the flattest finish. I just finished paint with Behr Premium Plus Ultra Matte and it has a shine to it. The sales guy said it was flat 3 gallons later, it is not flat. My walls are textured and I want no shine at all on them. Can anyone tell me which paint will be absolutely flat. Thank you

dj1
Re: Which interior wall paint brand has the flattest flat finish?
dj1

What are you painting? your house? a rental house? a house for sale?
When you are examining the finish, what kind of lighting do you have in the room? natural light? ceiling light? light fixtures? flashlight?

I've used Glidden flat paints - and got no shine.
I've used House brand flat paints - and got no shine. Paints from HD, from Lowes, from Standard Brands, from Builder's Emporium, from Sears and OSH, from ACE is the place, from U name it.
I even used Color-Place flat paints - remember them? - no shine.

These were rentals home, some of the paints were labeled "commercial", they were cheap, they were easy to apply, they were one coat paints, they were low VOC paints, they didn't stink - they saved me time and money, they did the job (to put a tenant in) - and that was all that mattered to me.

kerk
Re: Which interior wall paint brand has the flattest flat finish?
kerk

The 'flatest flat' is to be found in the lowest grade of paint. 'flatness' is relevant to price. The construction grade flat used by many, if not all, painting contractors doing new construction apartments and condo's is the flatest you will find. Do you want it? Probably not.

As quality goes up, so does sheen. That is why even 'top shelf' flats are not really flat. You can't put a decent amount of resin (which is a major ingredient for quality) into a paint and expect a dead flat. That's one reason why you'll never find a really cheap semi-gloss.

The constuction/production (blo and go) paints are cheap because everyone is looking for the lowest bid on the projects. They are made cheap by minimal resin, and a lot of clay, which makes them course and flat.......and a dream to touch up. The cheapest are only sold in 5 gallon buckets, and usually only in a couple 'off whites'. You do not wash, or hang wallpaper on, these paints. There is just enough resin to make it stick to the wall.

The ONLY good quality, scrubible paint, that covers great and is a dead flat, is an 'oil base flat'. And I would be surprised if you can even buy it any more.

Now Lowe's does sell a commercial grade paint in gallon cans in my area. It's made by Olympic and is called 'Fast Hide'. It comes in flat, eggshell, and semi. There are A LOT of student rentals and they wanted to get a piece of the apartment 'make ready' market. That one may work for you. But again, it will only be available in pastel colors. And don't try to clean the flat.

BTW, 'very' few guys that work at box stores know much about paint.

So enough of that. I could bore you to tears talking paint. I spent many years selling them, and slapping them on.

ordjen
Re: Which interior wall paint brand has the flattest flat finish?
ordjen

The main way flats are made to appear flat is by using pigments which are ground much larger. Being larger, they scatter the light which is hitting the surface, rather than reflect them directly to your eyes, as do the densely packed finer pigments in gloss paints. Having larger pigments, flat paints also present a much more porous surface, this is why they are rarely recommended for moist areas, as they do not block air born water molecules. This is also why they scuff easily and literally grab dirt out of the air or off passing objects touching it.

Higher sheen paints also come at a slight premium over flat paints simply because it is more costly to grind the pigments finer.

Obviously, the resins themselves can be altered to affect the sheen. Witness varnishes which come in several sheens even though they have no pigment at all.

Cheap flat paints are cheap because they use cheap pigments, mainly calcium carbonate (chaulk), silicates ( fine sand), etc. rather than the relatively expensive titanium dioxide that goes into fine paints.

The import of this all is that flat paints, in general, do not perform well when it comes to moisture resistance, scuffing and washing. The Behr Ultra paint tries to alleviate flat paint's bad traits by adding nano size metallic particles into the mix. These nano particles fill in the voids between the color pigments, resulting in a very dense surface which is very washable and inherently mildew resistant.

The nano particles have no influence upon color or sheen because of their incredibly small size. They are so small ( a "nano" is one billionth of a meter), that light rays just don't "see" them! They do not reflect light. Mercedes has been using nanoized clear coats on its cars for several years now. Obviously, it is crystal clear! In this case, the nano particles fortifies the finish , making it more resistant to the white scratches automotive clear coats were known for.

HoustonRemodeler
Re: Which interior wall paint brand has the flattest flat finish?
HoustonRemodeler

We make every effort to talk customers out of using flat paint on walls. Once you touch the walls there is not enough scrubbing in the world to remove the marks. The longer the paint stays on the walls, the worse it gets.

Until you repaint. With eggshell.

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