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brendog
What comes first tile or trim????

I am doing a complete renovation of a bathroom and I have a dilemna. The walls are now plastered and ready to go, and I have a carpenter and a tile guy, the tile guy wants to get in and tile all the way to the walls, including under the spot where the vanity will go and all the way to the walls. His opinion is the baseboard sits on top of the tile and there is no quarter round. Plus the vanity will also sit on top of the new tile. Meanwhile, the carpenter wants to install all the trim, including door casings, baseboard AND the vanity first and have the tile guy come in afterwards. His argument is that the floor is out of whack and it'll make his job harder to level off the vanity and the baseboards after the tile is in.

I'm not sure which way to go, as making it easier for one will make it harder for the other, but my gut says to let the carpenter trim out the door casing first, THEN the tiler will come in, use a jamb saw under the casing and tile everything, and once he's done have the carpenter install the vanity on TOP of the new tile and the baseboards on TOP of the new tile. What does everyone think is best?

canuk
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

It's a case of the cart before the horse ...... but who's the cart and who's the horse.

I would side with the tile guy personally.

Doing the entire floor does have it's advantage. If sometime down the road it's decided to replace the cabinet this becomes simpler since the cabinet sits on top of the finished floor. If there was a change down the road to a smaller cabinet or even to a pedestal sink you would be left with redoing the floor. There won't be issues with gaps between the tile and the cabinet. Also there won't be any loss to the toe kick height.

The carpenter will have to shim the cabinet anyway since it's likely the existing sub floor isn't perfectly level. Also the base trim should be on top of the floor so how is the carpenter going to achieve the consistent and proper space for the tile to properly fit underneath. Perhaps the carpenter figures the tiles will butt up against the baseboard?

If the walls won't have tiles butting to the door trim I would also have to say having the door installed after the floor as well .... besides a bathroom door needs to be undercut and it's best to do this according to the finished floor.

It sounds to me the carpenter wants to get in and do his stuff and let the tile guy worry about making the finishing look good.

2 cents worth.:)

brendog
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

Yes, canuk, that is my guess as well. The carpenter actually said to me "you're making everyone else's job easier except mine". That leads me to believe that all he cares about is making his job easy and not the finished product and my satisfaction. In addition, the bathroom is on the lower level of a split level house and we have had some water flooding from time to time, so in my mind, having the tile underneath the vanity will give the vanity an extra half inch of protection from any flooding.

brendog
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

Yes, canuk and I forgot to add that he does want to butt the tile up to the baseboard and then cover the edge with a piece of quarter round. It's a small bathroom with brand new walls, why not just lay the tile first and put the baseboard on top?? His method would require the baseboard and the quarter round.

A. Spruce
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

As canuk said, baseboard goes on top of the flooring not behind it, which is what will happen if it's installed before the tile goes down. Besides being the right way to install it, it just plain looks better on top. I would have the door installed but hold the trim until after tile as well. The tile can be cut and fit around the door jamb, but the trim will look and finish better if set on top of the floor. I'd lay the floor before setting the vanity because shimming the vanity won't be visible after the base is installed.

Remember, this is your house, your money, things need to be done the way you want them. If your carpenter can't handle that, then he needs to find another job and you need to find a better carpenter. :)

A. Spruce
Re: What comes first tile or trim????
brendog wrote:

His method would require the baseboard and the quarter round.

And a return trip and more time and more money and not look as good.

canuk
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Remember, this is your house, your money, things need to be done the way you want them. If your carpenter can't handle that, then he needs to find another job and you need to find a better carpenter.

Ditto that.:cool:

He's being silly expecting the baseboard to be installed first and have the tile butt up to it.
This guy isn't offering a better way of doing things ...... he's just offering his way...... the easy way for himself.

A. Spruce
Re: What comes first tile or trim????
canuk wrote:

This guy isn't offering a better way of doing things ...... he's just offering his way...... the easy way for himself.

No, actually, he's not, regardless of what he may think. Installing base, then returning to install MORE trim isn't easier for anyone. Even if a base shoe was on the docket, it is far faster and easier to install the base and shoe at the same time than it is to burn another day to come back, set up, etc.

I'm curious to know how he bid this job. Did he originally bid for base, but then after hearing tile was going down he then wanted to bump the price and add a shoe? Was a shoe always intended (on his part ) and accounted for in the original bid?

brendog
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

Well, as you might have guessed, it's an open-bid where he charges by the hour. He did some rough carpentry for me including framing for a shower and replacing a window, and now I have hired him back to do the finished carpentry and the same arrangement is in place. My suspicion is that this might "stretch" the schedule and therefore stretch his bill.

canuk
Re: What comes first tile or trim????

No argument here .... that's why I would think to also to the door at the same time as the base trim...... oh but that would mean a little scribing and cutting the door frame .... sounds like too much work to me.:rolleyes:

canuk
Re: What comes first tile or trim????
brendog wrote:

Well, as you might have guessed, it's an open-bid where he charges by the hour. He did some rough carpentry for me including framing for a shower and replacing a window, and now I have hired him back to do the finished carpentry and the same arrangement is in place. My suspicion is that this might "stretch" the schedule and therefore stretch his bill.

Sounds to me either he does it the proper way .... your way .... or look for someone else that's prepared to quote you on doing it better.

Just my 2 cents.

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