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tonyc56
Installing Kitchen Cabinets

Hi All,

A video on this Old House showing Tom Silva on how to install kitchen cabinets...It shows Tom measuring cabinets to make certain that they are "TRUE"(parallel with each other before fastening them together)...Why is it that necessary and what would happened if one
did not make the cabinets true...

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets
tonyc56 wrote:

Hi All,

A video on this Old House showing Tom Silva on how to install kitchen cabinets...It shows Tom measuring cabinets to make certain that they are "TRUE"(parallel with each other before fastening them together)...Why is it that necessary and what would happened if one
did not make the cabinets true...

real good question I had to watch the video to see what it was you were talking about.
in the video he measures the base cabinets at the face frame after screwing them together. at the face frame is where the cabinet is its widest. the face frame sticks out about 3/16 beyond the sides of the cabinet, so in order to screw the backs together to make sure that the whoe thing is solid he has to add shims between the cabinets at the back side of the cabinets. if you don't you will end up with the face frames not being in a straight line because when the face frames are screwed together there will be a gap between the side panels of the cabinet and this same gap needs to be transfered to the back of the cabinet and to make it exact he was taking a measurement.

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

after reading my post watch the video again and you will understand. if not I will try to explain in greater detail.

have a good afternoon

tonyc56
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

All,

Thanks for the info...Just curious...In the video, shows Silva
making the base cabinets true---is it necessary also for the
upper wall cabinets...

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets
tonyc56 wrote:

All,

Thanks for the info...Just curious...In the video, shows Silva
making the base cabinets true---is it necessary also for the
upper wall cabinets...

if you screwed them together before putting them on the wall then yes. If you are putting them up one at a time and making sure the face frames are straight like he was in the video then you wouldn't have to worry about it. the only thing we do different is when screwing the cabinets together we predrill the face frame and screw the faceframes together instead of putting a screw behind the face frames, the reason is it holds the joint at the face frame much tighter and you also don't have a tip of a screw sticking through into a cabinet.

tonyc56
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

Hi Havanagranite,

Again thanks for the info...Sorry another question...Please bare with me Im a novice at this...You stated "If you screwed them together before putting them on the wall then yes. If you are putting them up one at a time and making sure the face frames are straight like he was in the video then you wouldn't have to worry about it."

Why does that make a difference putting them on the wall together versus putting them up one at a time???

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets
tonyc56 wrote:

Hi Havanagranite,

Again thanks for the info...Sorry another question...Please bare with me Im a novice at this...You stated "If you screwed them together before putting them on the wall then yes. If you are putting them up one at a time and making sure the face frames are straight like he was in the video then you wouldn't have to worry about it."

Why does that make a difference putting them on the wall together versus putting them up one at a time???

with the base cabinets he was screwing them together away from the wall because very few walls are truly straight or plumb. so once they are all screwed together then they become like one great big cabinet and so once you put them to the wall you would level and plumb them as a unit and not individually. the wall cabinets because you usually would put them up one at a time you put in just one or two screws check it for plumb and then put up the next cabinet even though it may be plumb and level because the wall may not be straight you have to do like he was doing in the video and just tack it to the wall and then make sure the face frames are straight once they are and as a unit together they are plumb then the space between them will automatically be set. and since they are screwed to the wall there is no need to put shims between them. now if you have enough help you can screw your wall cabinets together like he did his base cabinets and do the spacing between the cabinets making them "true" then put up what we call a ledger board (a straight 3/4 inch board)on the wall which would be right below the cabinets then after removing the doors off the cabinets and removing the shelves to make them lighter set the unit up on the ledger board plumb them and screw them off. this is the easiest way if you have enough help, but you don't want to do to many at a time. If you don't have enough help they do make a cabinet lift that is something like a duct man's jack that they use on commercial jobs to put up large duct work.

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

just a quick question if you don't mind. are you planning on installing your own cabinets? if you are the video tom made is a very good one to work off from. and I would also like to add don't go to small of a sink base. allow your self some extra room especially if you are going with an undermount sink. you top installer as well as your plumber will be greatly appreciative.

tonyc56
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

Hi Havana,

Thanks again...Actually Im thinking of making a career change..

I'll be taking courses at nite in finish carpentry...Trying to

gain as much knowledge as possible...but obviously nothing beats

hands on experience...

By the way hows finish carpentry these days especially with the

real estate market being flat all over the country...

havanagranite
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

I can't speak of all over the country but here in north florida as well as in michigan the over all economy is really taking a hit and because of this the housing market is really down. the only area that seems to be up a bit would be in remodels and the reason for this is that those who would normally be looking to buy a new house are instead reinvesting it into the house that they presently own. remodels are usually a little less of a money maker then new houses but you still can make a decent living if you are deversafied enough. My company is about as deversafied as a company can get. we do granite counter tops cabinet work as well as drywall hanging and finishing. we have stepped away from commercial work a few years back but are out of necessity looking at picking up a few commercial jobs to try to stay busy.

wish you the best. please make sure you test the waters and make sure that you will have more then just an initial job or two then have nothing, before you make the jump. you might if you have a friend out there doing that sort of work see if you can provide some free labor on a couple of jobs, you can gain some experience fast that way. don't just ask questions but also watch closely everything they do. the reason is that sometimes some of the simple things that a person does they don't even think about and so doesn't even come to their mind to tell you to do.

tonyc56
Re: Installing Kitchen Cabinets

Hey Havana,

Oh...one last question...sorry to be a pain in the butt---LOL

If your installing the base cabinets one at a time at the wall like the upper cabinets...

Do you still have to worry about the base cabinets being true if so...why just the base and not the uppers...

Again thanks for all your time....

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