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dcalabro
Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

I have new wiring run in the ceiling and the only option was to have 3 feet of the run in the same joist bay as 6 feet of 2 radiator pipes.

The previous knob and tube wiring was run in this same way except the old wire was 2 conductors, each at 1 inch away from the pipes. The new wiring is 2x12ga @ 20A and 1x14ga @ 15A which are 6 inches away but I can assume it will have some heat impact being enclosed in the same joist bay. Any recommendations or do I have to somehow get the wiring redone? I was already thinking about fiberglass pipe insulation but i'm not sure if it will be enough to solve any heat issues.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

Insulation on Romex cable is rated at 600 degrees. I Doubt the temp in the bay will be as excessive as you think especially if you have hot water heat.

Jack

Justin Smith
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes
JLMCDANIEL wrote:

Insulation on Romex cable is rated at 600 degrees. I Doubt the temp in the bay will be as excessive as you think especially if you have hot water heat.

Jack

Insulation on Romex is NOTrated at 600 degrees. It's rated at 90 degrees Celsius. Which translates to 194 degrees Fahrenheit.

If your boiler is set less than 190F, There should be no problem.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes
Justin Smith wrote:

Insulation on Romex is NOTrated at 600 degrees. It's rated at 90 degrees Celsius. Which translates to 194 degrees Fahrenheit.

If your boiler is set less than 190F, There should be no problem.

Justin is correct, I garbed the voltage rating in error.

Jack

Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

The OP didn't say if the wiring and hot pipe were installed in a vented cavity or totally enclosed.

Wiring has long been subjected to derating, due to ambient temperature, much less than 190 deg.

At the very least I would insulate the pipe and attempt to ventilate the wire. But if the pipe stays hot for long periods of time (as I suspect it does) even the insulation/ventilation may not help.

The best solution IMO would be separation.

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabama
Maurice Turgeon,http://thesemi-retiredelectrician.com

dcalabro
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

The space will be enclosed once the drywall goes up on the ceiling. The only airflow will be little if any between holes and notches in the joist from old plumbing. One end of the joist cavity goes above the basement stairs which I can remove so air will flow in but i'm not sure if that helps.

Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes
dcalabro wrote:

The space will be enclosed once the drywall goes up on the ceiling. The only airflow will be little if any between holes and notches in the joist from old plumbing. One end of the joist cavity goes above the basement stairs which I can remove so air will flow in but i'm not sure if that helps.

***! I think your fears are well founded.

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabama
Maurice Turgeon, http://thesemi-retiredelectrician.com

dcalabro
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

Is there a minimum length of temperature variance? Its only 3 feet max so im wondering if it truly is a problem according to code.

canuk
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes
dcalabro wrote:

Is there a minimum length of temperature variance? Its only 3 feet max so im wondering if it truly is a problem according to code.

If that 3 feet meets the requirement for derating the circuit then that's it.
Can the wiring be moved to the other side of the joist --- in the next joist bay ?
If so then it would't be an issue.

dcalabro
Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes

It is done! I didnt want to take any chances. I was trying not to make any additional holes in the joists and avoid other obstacles in the area. Thanks to you guys i got some sense smacked into me about the obvious issue. Pulled it all out from the breaker and rerouted properly. Thanks guys!

Re: Wiring in same joist bay as heating pipes
dcalabro wrote:

It is done! I didnt want to take any chances. I was trying not to make any additional holes in the joists and avoid other obstacles in the area. Thanks to you guys i got some sense smacked into me about the obvious issue. Pulled it all out from the breaker and rerouted properly. Thanks guys!

You did the right thing, sleep well!

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabam
Maurice Turgeon, http://thesemi-retiredelectrician.com

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