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irish pat
What kind of wood is this

Hi, I am renovating a house, it is post and beam. I want to replicate one existing structural beam with another one that will look the same. I don't know what kind of wood it is, can anyone help me?

I have been told that it is pine, but if it is, what kind? thanks.

goldhiller
Re: What kind of wood is this

*If* the color rendition is "true" on those pics......
it looks to me like the first pic shows what could very likely be quarter-sawn long-leaf heart-pine....while the second shows what looks like fir (judging from slight reddish/pinkish hue).....but could also be long-leaf heart-pine.......just a naturally darker piece than shown in the first pic.

Too tough to tell with dead certainty from here.

irish pat
Re: What kind of wood is this

Thanks Goldhiller,

I did not take notice of the color difference between the two pictures, thay are both of the same piece. I took the second one to show the grain, the first one is true to the color, The house was probably built in the 80's and is located in upstate NY, if that helps to identify the wood in any way.

goldhiller
Re: What kind of wood is this

Here's what I mean about the possibility that both of your pics are actually long-leaf pine.

I just took these pics of our kitchen floor ....which is quarter-sawn long-leaf heart-pine (circa 1875). Pardon the blurriness of the pics cause I didn't want to use the flash (high probability of glare) and hand-held at slow shutter speed.

You can see the shift in color in the same piece of wood and also two neighboring pieces with significantly different colors.

irish pat
Re: What kind of wood is this

That is exactly the same wood, thanks.

Now, if I want to order a 10 foot length of that, 6x6, what kind of wood do I tell the lumber yard I need?
Will it be the same shade as that, or do you think I will have to stain it?

Thanks for your help. It is appreciated, maybe in time I will be able to tell what kind of wood I am looking at without having to go to the internet.

goldhiller
Re: What kind of wood is this

I don't know what woods were readily available in your area during the 80s...... or *if* the HOs,builder or archy specified and were willing to foot the extra cost of using a specific "hard to acquire" and consequently higher cost wood.

Long-leaf was not "easy to come by" here locally during that period. Might have been where you are. Might not be anymore. Alot of the QS long-leaf that is available these days is salvage stock from old buildings/houses and consequently commands a higher price.

A wild guess would be that *if* you could find some nice QS fir (hand sort a local lumberyard or order it special $$$$)......it would probably mimic the long-leaf (if that's what the original is). If the color of said QS fir is "too dark" to suit/blend....you could lighten it up by using some two-step hydrogen-peroxide based wood bleach.

goldhiller
Re: What kind of wood is this

Oooops. Was typing previous respnse while you were posting back.

I'm not sure what your lumberyard will be able to easily acquire these days. It depends. You can inquire about the QS long-leaf and see what they say. If a no-go (or is something they just don't care to mess with), you could try the fir route.

As for me.......I'd be hand selecting the stock myself....if at all possible.....no matter which species.....if I wanted to make certain that the grain was QS/compatable with what is already present. (Flat-sawn/plain-sawn stock will not look the same as QS.)

You could also try contacting any local or even distant salvage houses and see if they have anything on hand. And/or....specifically companies that take down old barns, etc.

Yes, recoloring is possible.

irish pat
Re: What kind of wood is this

Thanks for your help, I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was a few hours ago.

goldhiller
Re: What kind of wood is this
irish pat wrote:

Thanks for your help, I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was a few hours ago.

It occurs to me that I may be jumping to unfounded conclusions as regards the long-leaf heart-pine. Considering the age of the house...you may simply have some nice tight-grained SYP (southern yellow pine) on your hands there. This would be easier to come by today...although much of what is available is grown on tree-farms and consequently.....most/much of it has large growth rings rather than the nice tight-grain depicted in your pictures.

If so....you may be able to acquire what you desire easier and for less money. Would still probably require seeing the particular pieces firsthand to assure that you get tight-grained stock. If a nominal 6x6 (actually much closer to 5 1/2" x 5 1/2") is all that's needed........then sorting the stacks at the lumberyard might yield what you need. Be patient and willing to look the supply on occasion for a while to find one of those.

If, on the other hand, you absolutely need a full 6x6....with real tight grain/growth rings.....special order or hunting the resources at a salvage house would probably be required. Patience is a virtue. ;)

calcats
Re: What kind of wood is this

This past weekend on The New Yankee Workshop, Norm used reclaimed heart pine lumber that looked exactly like your picture on the right. Hope this helps.
Calcats;)

JLMCDANIEL
Re: What kind of wood is this

Yep, I would say Southern Yellow Pine also.
Jack

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