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charcoaleyes
Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

We had a ceiling fan installed in our kitchen, but we are trying to put in a new one. The light is controlled by a switch on one wall, the fan by a dial on the opposite wall, but they are on the same circuit.

When the ceiling fan came down, there was a mass of wires. There were 4 sets of black and white wires, one set with a neutral wire, coming of the fan box. They are connected wires as follows:

1 black and white wire
2 black and white wire
3 black and two whites (one white seems to have been marked that it is a black -- wrapped in back tape and spliced to a black wire)
4 black, white and neutral

White wires from 1,2,3 are connected with a single white wire coming away. Black wires from 1,2,3,4 all connected together with no wires coming away. The wire from 3 that's wrapped in black tape, is connected to a black wire that coming away. White wire from 4 is not connected to anything. The ground is grounded. That leaves 2 white wires, and one black wire to connect to.

We tried to connect the new ceiling fan to the same wires that the old fan was attached to. The old fan had a black, white blue coming from fan. The black wire was connected to the black wire, the white fan wire connected to white wire, and blue fan wire was connected to the other white wire. The breaker wouldn't stay switched on with this connection. Then, connected the blue wire to the other white wire. The breaker wouldn't stay switched on again.

Can anyone help us figure this out, or should we call an electrician to deal with this mess?

Thanks.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

Just a guess from what you have supplied White from fan to white cable 2, fan black to black pigtail tied to white cable 3, fan blue to white cable 4.

Guessing cable 1 and 2 are one power and the other feed to outlets.
cable 3 is to a switch and feed to outlets
cable 4 is to other switch

Jack

charcoaleyes
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

Hi Jack,

Thanks for the advice. We tried that, and the breaker wouldnt stay on. I kept the black connected to the black pigtailed wire, and tried the blue and white each way with the white wires. I couldn't get the wires connected to the fan in any configuration that would let the breaker stay on.

Some additional info: the switch that controls the light is one of a double wall switch, which controls the back door light. The fan switch (dimmer style) is by itself, on the other side of the room.

Jesse

NEC
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

Jesse, call an electrician.

charcoaleyes
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

that's what we thought. Just wanted to make sure we weren't missing something obvious.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

My guess is you are either overloading the circuit or have a short. If you wire nut the three wires and the breaker stays on you are over loading the circuit with the fan if the breaker trips you most likely have other problems like a short. I would suggest you bite the bullet and call an electrician.
Jack

sparky rw
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

yes, call an electrician. But be there when he or she shows up. ask questions. Bug the hell out of him or her. Ask why that white wire has black tape on it? Ask why are there so many wires in this cieling box? Where do these wires go? If you are going to pay top dollar for a pro.get as much as you can for it. Any competent electrician will take the time to answer all your questions.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Too many wires...please help with ceiling fan installation

One thing we forgot to mention, it could be a faulty fan.
Jack

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