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shaithus
Is there any kind of fix for stupidity?
shaithus

So...
My house was built in 1953.. over the past couple of years we have been remodeling the kitchen. We gutted the old one down to the wall studs, removed a wall, took a bedroom and made a dining room. During this project we discovered that the old plumbing vent and drain was galvanized and was damaged. The past owners at some point had had PVC installed from the basement up through the floor into the sink cabinet. We removed the old piping and installed new PVC drain and vent to the roof where the old piping was located in the wall.

Sheetrock has gone up, flooring has gone down, cabinets have gone in and new granite countertops have just been installed....(yesterday)...yaay... so the sink must be hooked up... the old sink was a double basin shallow type the new one is a single deep basin.. putting in a disposal today and what a discovery I have made.

The drain in the wall is 3 inches higher than the drain output on the disposal... so this means that the disposal wont drain. Any Ideas... either we do not have a disposal or I have to cut the back out two cabinets, the sheetrock and move the drain line.... it would be an understatement to say I am not only disappointed but also, ready to light a match....

I didn't realize that drains have moved since the 1950's. We did a lot of home work on cabinets, under counter lighting placement, gas piping, Pex tubing. appliances... stone... but not today's plumbing placement..

Any body.. any where, got any ideas...?
thanks

dj1
Re: Is there any kind of fix for stupidity?
dj1

Giving up a garbage disposer is out of the question in 2015. It will set you back to the 1800s.

Re-do the plumbing and in 20 years you will have a funny story to tell.

A. Spruce
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A. Spruce

Agreed, move the drain, have a funny story once the pain goes away. Your only other option would be to install a shallow sink, or a bi-level twin basin and install the disposal on the shallow side. Clearance will probably still be an issue no matter what you do, so moving the drain in the wall really is the best option.

ed21
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ed21

The good news is pvc is easy enough to modify and any drywall that needs patching is behind the sink base. The bad news is all the work is under the sink.
"Live and learn" as the saying goes. You might want to pull the sink to give yourself more room to work.

Condoman
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Condoman

I would get rid of the disposal. We don't use one because of the septic and I do not recommend one when you have city sewers.

Every thing you put in a disposal should be either put in your compost heap or put in the household trash. If you have septic then plan on paying for it sooner or later as it will mean an earlier failure of your system.

If you have city sewers it is just kicking the can down the road.

IMHO.

dj1
Re: Is there any kind of fix for stupidity?
dj1
Condoman wrote:

I would get rid of the disposal. We don't use one because of the septic and I do not recommend one when you have city sewers.

Every thing you put in a disposal should be either put in your compost heap or put in the household trash. If you have septic then plan on paying for it sooner or later as it will mean an earlier failure of your system.

If you have city sewers it is just kicking the can down the road.

IMHO.

We obviously come from different places...

In my city, GD waste goes into the sewer system, then into a treatment station - where most stuff is recycled.

On the other hand, garbage can trash goes to the dump hill - and maybe produces some meth gas.

Our city encourages the use of GDs.

hollasboy
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hollasboy
Condoman wrote:

I would get rid of the disposal. We don't use one because of the septic and I do not recommend one when you have city sewers.

Every thing you put in a disposal should be either put in your compost heap or put in the household trash. If you have septic then plan on paying for it sooner or later as it will mean an earlier failure of your system.

If you have city sewers it is just kicking the can down the road.

IMHO.

Some big exceptions to this are meat, cooked vegetables, cheesy foods, and pastas, just to name a few. I compost everything I can, but these things cannot be composted neatly - they will be treated out just fine by the bugs at the waste water plant down the road, though.

Benjamin
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Benjamin

I agree with condoman. I don't have one and don't want one. I compost all food scraps and have never had any issues.

Mastercarpentry
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Mastercarpentry

I'd cut the back out of the cabinet in situ, rework the drain, then sheet over the cabinet back with an appropriate plywood or if you can stand the appearance, just patch over the repaired section similarly. For a perfect job you'd pull the cabinet, replace the back because of the existing hole, do the plumbing, then replace the cabinet.

I've had to tell customers who thought they were ready to start to call me back after they had decided on what they wanted because of things like this. In my work contracts everything is highly specified and noted, and if the customer wants a change later on it's going to cost them a bundle if I have to go back into finished work- I make that clear from the start. I can't give you what you want until you know what you want- nobody can, not even you.

Plan well and plan completely before starting and then stick to the plan. There is no such thing as a simple change.

Phil

MichaelInOr
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MichaelInOr

I can't imagine going back to a single disposal (kids always wash their plates in the wrong side of the sink no matter which side you put the disposal in). Living with no disposal at all is barbarous! I have been on this septic for 18 years now and never had a problem and never had to have the septic tank emptied.

Trust me, you are not the first person that has had to do a little rework after everything has come together in a kitchen remodel. And your rework is pretty minor compared to many I have seen. Drawers in a corner that are blocked from opening. Refrigerator openings that wont take a standard fridge. Fridge doors that won't open. Cabinet doors that are blocked from opening. Dishwashers that are impossible to install. Dishwashers that block access to one or more cabinets when they are open. Kitchen door blocked by an oven door.... etc...

Be greatful that your mishap is easily fixed with a sawzall and a couple hours of work!

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