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havanagranite
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

he originally proposed drywalling ceiling and walls of the room-in-attic truss or storage-in-attic truss loft.

you make statements that he is all fine on the loading for drywall. you have no way of knowing if these were storage-in or room-in-attic gambrel trusses so how can you make such a statement, especially when Bill's linked site says the raw ceiling height was 7'5' and his planned finished ceiling was 7' and that he insulated the bottom chords all the way to the outside wall and finished the lower chord lower level all the way to the outside wall with unvented steel. fact is you don't and you're making generalized statements without knowledge or access to the truss specifications or knowing the loading. heck several of you thought the bottom chord was above his loft space.

We actually built a barn similar to his. difference being we had swing doors 14' both sides and have loft doors and have more structural strength before we sided it ours is also larger and just a little bit taller. drywall hanger and stone countertop fabricator skills aside i seriously doubt you have any experience with agricultural post structures exceeding 25 feet.

this proves my point now point now you drop uplift and try to make personal attacks and change to loads. and for your information during the time that I was doing drywall what you obviously have little knowledge of is that in commercial construction the drywall and metal studs are the same trade including structural metal studs dealing with loads, windloads, uplift etc. etc. I have been incharge of a five story science research building on a college campus 7 story hotel a 12 story hotel. and the list goes on we also have built numerous out buildings out of heavy ga. metal studs. and if you ever come to this area I would be glad to take you to them to show them to you and introduce you to people who have known me for close to 30 years including building inspectors and engineers. you on the other hand I would be very interested to see any experience you have that isn't google related.

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop
havanagranite wrote:

this proves my point now point now you drop uplift and try to make personal attacks and change to loads. and for your information during the time that I was doing drywall what you obviously have little knowledge of is that in commercial construction the drywall and metal studs are the same trade including structural metal studs dealing with loads, windloads, uplift etc. etc. I have been incharge of a five story science research building on a college campus 7 story hotel a 12 story hotel. and the list goes on we also have built numerous out buildings out of heavy ga. metal studs. and if you ever come to this area I would be glad to take you to them to show them to you and introduce you to people who have known me for close to 30 years including building inspectors and engineers. you on the other hand I would be very interested to see any experience you have that isn't google related.

i dropped nothing. there isn't a single "stud" in this building and it is wood framed not steel. it is a post or pole building with storage-in or room-in trusses. so what does any of your commentary have to do with the post string? NOTHING.

havanagranite
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

i dropped nothing. there isn't a single "stud" in this building and it is wood framed not steel. it is a post or pole building with storage-in or room-in trusses. so what does any of your commentary have to do with the post string? NOTHING.

so you don't think metal studs expand and contract? which is the cause of uplift.
you think I can't do wood framing? I have done both over many years what are your qualifications

kentvw
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

The banned Leslie and Drarf*itch strikes yet once again............

canuk
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

Ya know ..................... ahh .... fer get it ..... not worth the aggravation.:rolleyes:

havanagranite
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

sorry guys I didn't mean to take the bait, its just didn't want bill to be misled he seems to be someone really looking for positive information and hope he can sort through this and see the ones who are giving him good feedback being shown by their reasonableness and practicality

canuk
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

No need to apologize my friend ..... to the contrary ... you're doing a fine job of sorting out the psycho-babbel .... it's just not worth the aggrevation to me joining in to sort out things from you know who. ;)

havanagranite
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop
kentvw wrote:

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ok now i'm curious to what was said here:D

Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

Oops, my WEB site is in error. That's a typo.
We assumed a final height of "7.5' " which I apparently messed up - getting in a hurry to post the page. Maybe more accurately ~7 1/2 feet meaning "about that".
Their words were "is a ceiling height of 7.5' going to be a problem since you asked for 8' originally" when they called me back.
And I said no, no problem. I'm not a tall person (5' 8" myself) and simply will not put up ceiling fans. ;-) (as much as I'd like to)

So my web page should read a ceiling height of 7' 6" or 7.5' and so on. I suspect they were assuming either steel or sheetrock (drywall) or simply didn't bother calculating for the fractions of inches that would be lost from either method.
I'm sure my 14' downstairs isn't a FULL 14' if I'd account for the steel, I suspect they measured up about 14' and cut the poles. (but these guys who built it were great)

I run theamcforum.com (webmaster/admin) so I guess I know what can happen......... :D The other mods have slapped me now and then, too. LOL

Anyway, like my wife keeps reminding me - we spent a chunk on this, a lot of investment, so she said "don't mess it up now, do it right". I'm not even allowed to move my rusty and beat-up shelving and cabinets from the other garage out there. I have to buy new or make it look perfect. Thus, the "little at a time" game. Buy 4 rolls of insulation and a couple pieces of sheet rock this week, something else next payday sort of a thing.

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: "sheetrock" for my barn/shop

here is a link to a NAIMA document i think you should check out.

http://www.naima.org/pages/resources/library/pdf/MB316.PDF

this link has useful example pictures: http://www.metalbuildinginsulation.com/PostFramePoleBldg.htm

as mentioned your truss diagrams have the limits of loading within the truss. overloading the loft trusses or loading in the zero zone can cause issues all that dead load gets transfered to the bottom chord on points of the web not spread out to the air. questions on the camber and strength or how to read the engineered diagrams you can refer to your supplier. would never use household kraft faced fiberglass in metal sheathed and roofed pole building.

i wouldn't assume you have room-in-attic trusses, most common is a storage-in-attic truss big difference, storage-in-attic truss is not designed to be finished beyond a loft floor - big difference! if room-in-attic trusses they still are limited to loading and finish materials especially metal pole building.

good luck to you.

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