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cubangt
Replacing window and side paneling while there, questions on improving what is there.
cubangt

So our house was built in the early 80's, from the looks of the paneling around the window it has only been repaired never replaced with anything long lasting. So since its all wood framing and paneling, im going to replace everything with hardi and make sure that everything else is in good within the framing. My question is, is there anything I should upgrade while I have the paneling off and framing exposed for the install?

Is there any sheathing I need to put in place, should there be plywood on the framing before the new siding goes up?

Ill try to take a pic of the setup before anything is removed.

I just want to make sure that I fix and improve everything while im there..

cubangt
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cubangt

Found this as example of what im kinda asking for..

Basically just want to make sure that I install what is typical in todays home builds to insure that this entire window area is done right and as efficient as possible. I have 2 more after this one that are also in wood siding areas, so they will also be taken down to framing and work my way back up to what it should be..

Just want to insure I install and use whatever I need to have in place.

ed21
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ed21

On the outside of the studs their should be sheathing such as plywood, fiberboard or foam board. Then a weather barrier such as building felt or building wrap like tyvek. Then the siding. Their should be flashing around the windows.
The diagram attached is pretty generic. Are you taking off all the siding and sheathing? Not really clear what you intention is.

cubangt
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cubangt

Ill post a pic of the actual window and side as it is right now before this weekends install.
Because the existing siding and trim is from the 80's some is falling apart and the trim is rotting from the inside as you can see the paint caving in in certain areas, so my plan is to remove all existing siding and trim, repair anything I don't see or know about once im down to the framing/studs, insulate as needed and build back up to what it should be. Use all new hardi for the siding and trim and call it a day.

The image I posted above was a very general image that was merely to help explain what im looking for. Since todays standards are different than back in the 80's, I wanted to make sure that I build up as expected by todays standards.

cubangt
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cubangt

Here is the actual window setup as it stands before this weekends replacement and repairs..

You can kinda make out about 6" or 8" of the trim on each corner that the previous owner replaced and the other that wasn't that is rotting away. As cheap as a 1x4 is, I don't understand why the entire trim wasn't replaced to insure it looked right..

Everything you see in the pic I will be removing down to the studs/framing in order to correct whatever needs to be and install the new window..

Fencepost
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Fencepost

There's a common misconception that a vapor barrier is installed between the sheathing and the siding. (Nobody here made that mistake yet, just want to point it out before someone does.)

It's not a vapor barrier (such as plastic sheeting would be), it is a vapor-permeable water and air barrier. Typical trade names are Tyvek and HouseWrap. It's designed to allow water vapor to escape from the wall cavity while blocking drafts and preventing liquid water that gets behind the siding from entering the wall where it can damage the sheathing and insulation.

The vapor barrier goes on the inside, between the insulation and the interior wallboard, to prevent humid air from inside the house entering the wall cavity where it can condense in cold weather and damage sheathing, structure, and insulation. (Insulation covered with kraft paper has a built-in vapor barrier; the kraft paper goes toward the interior.)

Be prepared to replace the insulation if there is any indication of moisture damage.

cubangt
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cubangt

Thanks,

I was planning on replacing all insulation regardless of condition. Lastnight I decided to remove the siding and trim since today was big trash day for us..

Here is what I found under everything..

Not clearly seen in the picture, but at the top, there is a 3" or 4" spacing between the sofit and the window framing.. is that normal construction for a home built in the 80's?

I was looking to replace all the insulation with sound insulation to help cut down on exterior noise coming in and any interior noise from getting out..

I am also planning on picking up the tyvek roll and some tape to seal everything up once the insulation has been replaced so that this weekend im only focusing on window and siding..

ed21
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ed21

The projected window construction looks like a bit of afterthought. Since it looks like t-111 was used as siding, they omitted the sheathing. Sheathing should be installed if using lap siding. Of course that complicates the window installation and how it sets in the siding unless it is taken out and reinstalled.
The gap at the top is there because nobody wanted to modify the soffit. Trim could be butted to the soffit to close it off.
Sheathing and sealing will do more for stopping sound than sound insulation. In all likelihood most of the sound is coming through the window.

cubangt
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cubangt

The new window going in is a Pella double pane window with the gas in between for energy efficiency, so anything to help reduce the sound and provide better insulation than what was used is my goal.

Im not installing lap siding, I will be installing the 4x8 sheets of hardi, that has the similar look as the old stuff that showed the wood grain look to it.. , then trim the borders covering up the cuts, or atleast that's my goal

ed21
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ed21

I think plywood sheathing would cut down some noise, but the window is the more likely noise transmitter. Is the head of the projected window insulated and closed off at the soffit where the gap is?

cubangt
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cubangt

In that opening at the top of the exposed framing, yes you can see some insulation up there..
I was looking and I still have some R-13 insulation from last window install that I may use, but from what I was reading and shopping around at lunch was that I need R-19 or higher down here in Texas.

I want to make sure that whatever I use in the wall will be better than what is there now, not only to cut down on noise, but also heating/cooling in that area of the house..

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