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mondrin
Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

I have a 4 way switch (middle of 3 switches controlling a light) which I need to replace with a switch+outlet combo. I purchased a standard switch+outlet combo but am unsure how to wire it, assuming I even have the right item.

The existing 4 way switch receptacle has 2 red and 2 black wires direclty conntect to the switch. There are also 2 white wires combined with a wire nut not attached to the switch.

The switch+outlet combo I got has 4 connection points: two hot (one labeled as common), Neutral and A1 (assume that's the load). The provided wiring diagram doens't deal with 4 way switch replacement.

So, is the item I bought going to work? If not, is there anything I can buy which would work for this situation so I can maintain the 4 way switch with an outlet in a single item?

Thanks

Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

Mondrin, the box with the 4 way does not have the neutral you require for the receptacle.

The white wire should have been re-identified with black tape or some other mark to tell future electricians it's a hot not a neutral.

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabama
Maurice Turgeon , http://thesemi-retiredelectrician.com

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

Semi, I think you missed the line "The existing 4 way switch receptacle has 2 red and 2 black wires direclty conntect to the switch. There are also 2 white wires combined with a wire nut not attached to the switch."

It would appear that neutral is in the box, However you can not replace a 4-way with a single switch/outlet. A 4 way can only be replaced by a 4-way switch. You could replace the j-box with a double and use the 4-way and a duplex receptacle.

Jack

canuk
Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo
JLMCDANIEL wrote:

It would appear that neutral is in the box, However you can not replace a 4-way with a single switch/outlet. A 4 way can only be replaced by a 4-way switch. You could replace the j-box with a double and use the 4-way and a duplex receptacle.

Jack

Would there be a constant supply current for the receptacle with the 3 - 4 - 3 way switch circuit ? In other words the receptacle would be switched on/off from any of the switches -- yes ?

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

Canuk, you are correct there would be no constant hot unless they make an AC OR gate.

Jack

canuk
Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

I didn't think the OP can do it with the existing setup

Re: Replacing 4 way switch with Switch+outlet combo

If the supply is on the same side of the 3-4-3 switches as the light there is a constant hot in the 4w box but no neutral, so even if a 4w/receptacle combo could be bought or a 2G box is installed with a 4w and a standard duplex receptacle the plan won't work.

If the light and the supply are on opposite ends of the 3-4-3 switches there is a neutral in the 4w box but no constant hot, again the plan won't work.

If the standard switches are replaced with the x10 style digital switches the task could be probably be done, but it's pricey.

Good Luck from Columbiana, Alabama
Maurice Turgeon, http://thesemi-retiredelectrician.com

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