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Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
MGDW

A small portion of my ceiling bubbled up (unfortunately I keep getting an error and am unable to attach an image). It measures about 4 inches long. I had a contractor in to assess the damage for repairs. He said the entire rooms ceiling needs to be removed and re-sprayed otherwise a patch wouldn't match the rest of the room in terms of color. I certainly think this is overkill as last year I patched a small portion of the ceiling in another room and to this day it's nearly impossible to see. Any advice? Thanks!

dj1
Re: Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
dj1

You know what? you're right and he's right too.

If you did a repair in another room and you are happy with the results, what stops you from doing a new repair in the new spot?

The contractor is right too, because: 1. He can't do a repair and give you a warranty. 2. He can't do a repair to match 100% in color and texture. 3. He is looking for a complete job.

I don't know how old your ceiling is, but popcorn ceiling was widely popular decades ago. Since then, many people have replaced them with other finishes with cleaner looks, as the word got around about asbestos in popcorn ceilings. I did a replacement last year, from popcorn to smooth, and it looks 10 times better.

Fencepost
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Fencepost

What dj said.

Before you repair the ceiling, make sure that whatever caused the problem (usually a water leak) has been properly remedied, or you'll be fixing it many times over. But hey, with practice, you'll get good at it!

A. Spruce
Re: Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
A. Spruce

Ditto what the others have said.

While I have made patches to popcorn successfully, I make it extremely clear that there will be a color and texture variation. One way to minimize it is to respray a good portion of the ceiling, blending the patch into the whole.

it's possible that the contractor isn't well versed enough to handle a patch, maybe he's not willing to take on any liability for mismatched texture or color.

Mastercarpentry
Re: Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
Mastercarpentry

My late response: You can never get a perfect match, but you can usually get so close that only those who know about the repair will ever see it. You may have to paint the whole ceiling to match the color though, but that would also be the case with a smooth ceiling repair and usually moreso then. There's something of an art to matching a popcorn textured finish well. It's like making biscuits totally from scratch; each ingredient has to be varied for the conditions you've got.

Three things to know here: One is that texture alone does not adhere well even on primed or painted surfaces and especially on unprimed surfaces. Always mix in some paint with the texture to get the best bond. Second is that you vary the paint/water ratio in the mix to achieve the right emulsion. That alters the drying time so the individual pieces look 'fatter' or 'slimmer'; more paint/ less water gives a fatter look. Third is to spray what looks to be slightly 'heavier' than what you're matching. When it dries it contracts slightly making it look 'lighter' than when it's wet.

I can match most popcorn textures with my cheap Harbor Freight sprayer because I have so much experience doing it, but most will do a lot better with an adjustable nozzle hopper gun which can be rented. Practice on scrap till you get the hang of it. Use a high-CFM compressor, smaller ones won't cut it here. Or if the spot is small just apply with a brush dabbing it in place with the side of the brush. If you mess up, [email protected] and broom it off while it's wet and try again after altering the mix as needed. You'll soon get it right after a few tries.

In another 50-75 years popcorn ceilings will come back into vogue so don't strip them; tell everyone that you're well-ahead of the game waiting for the world to catch back up with you :rolleyes:

Phil

dj1
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dj1

From Phil: "In another 50-75 years popcorn ceilings will come back into vogue so don't strip them"

I know I won't be there to verify/see that.

Lynne
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Lynne

Question: are 'popcorn' and 'textured' two different things? I always thought popcorn was heavier with largish clumps in it; whereas texture was made with mud and a trowel.

dj1
Re: Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
dj1

Google "drywall finish" and "ceiling finish" and you'll see a bunch of finishes.

Generally, different textures are mostly mud applied with different tools, mostly trowels. Professional pop corn is applied with a hopper.

Pop corn may look heavy, but it's not when dry. You don't want heavy stuff on your ceiling.

A. Spruce
Re: Popcorn Ceiling Peeling
A. Spruce
queen60 wrote:

Question: are 'popcorn' and 'textured' two different things? I always thought popcorn was heavier with largish clumps in it; whereas texture was made with mud and a trowel.

"Popcorn" is the layman's term acoustic texture, it's called popcorn because of it's general appearance. The material itself has styrofoam beads that aid in the clumping nature of the product. "Texture" is a broad, general term for everything else, the most common is a blown product that produces small-ish beads, like water droplets. When sprayed and left to dry, this is called an "orange peel" due to it's visual likeness to the fruit, run a trowel over the wet beads and you have what's called "knock-down". Then there are any number of hand troweled texture styles.

As DJ suggests, a quick Google for "wall texture" and similar terms will produce images of the various types of texture commonly done.

Lynne
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Lynne

Thanks for the clarification.

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