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A. Spruce
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You know, it's a seriously sad day when professionals cannot ask a question to clarify a subject. Yes, we're all knowing Gods of construction, but even God must question himself periodically, or he's no better than the mere mortal. I can say both for myself and for a good number of other well known and knowledgeable people who have populated this forum over the years - yes, that's years - that it has become tiresome that the few peckerheads that insist on belittling everyone else to make themselves feel larger have ruined this forum for everyone! The professionals that take pride in their work and donate their time to interact on these forums do so no longer because God forbid they don't account for every minutia and every scenario that could occur, are no longer participating or participating to their fullest.

IMHO, whether or not Jack needed clarification on this subject is irrelevant, this is something that is relevant to the masses. I personally find it refreshing when my fellow tradesmen question and push the rest of us to think and define the very trade we are responsible for upholding.

BigWalt
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps
A. Spruce wrote:

You know, it's a seriously sad day when professionals cannot ask a question to clarify a subject. Yes, we're all knowing Gods of construction, but even God must question himself periodically, or he's no better than the mere mortal. I can say both for myself and for a good number of other well known and knowledgeable people who have populated this forum over the years - yes, that's years - that it has become tiresome that the few peckerheads that insist on belittling everyone else to make themselves feel larger have ruined this forum for everyone! The professionals that take pride in their work and donate their time to interact on these forums do so no longer because God forbid they don't account for every minutia and every scenario that could occur, are no longer participating or participating to their fullest.

IMHO, whether or not Jack needed clarification on this subject is irrelevant, this is something that is relevant to the masses. I personally find it refreshing when my fellow tradesmen question and push the rest of us to think and define the very trade we are responsible for upholding.

If I offended anybody here then I apologize, :) on other hand there are 1 or 2 bad seed that actually "thinks" they know everything. There is no way that they actually know everything from cellar construction to roofing construction.:rolleyes:

A. Spruce
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps

Don't worry Walt, it wasn't you.:cool:

canuk
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps

Mr. Spruce my friend ... what's got you so Blue ? ;):):cool:

BigWalt
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canuk wrote:

Mr. Spruce my friend ... what's got you so Blue ? ;):):cool:

He must've run out of beer or his favorite football team is losing.......I would say it is beer.... LOL:D

By the way...Go Eagles.......Yiiippppeeeeeeeeeeee

A. Spruce
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps
canuk wrote:

Mr. Spruce my friend ... what's got you so Blue ? ;):):cool:

BigWalt wrote:

.I would say it is beer.... LOL:D

Yes, exactly, on both accounts. ;):D

canuk
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps

Ah yes ... that would put a bee in anyone's bonnet.

Ya know we have a beer called Blue ..... too much of it leaves a bad taste and headache.

JLMCDANIEL
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I'm getting to the point that I regret asking a legitimate question.
Jack

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps

house traps/masons traps/running traps (between house drain and house sewer) arent legal in many areas with dedicated sanitary only sewer systems. they went the way of the drum traps and cesspools - obsolete. still think its legit question? lots of advances in santiary plumbing since 1920s!

why? they tend to get sucked dry from other drainage activites downstream in the sewer and tend to hold solids/clog. weather/pressure changes and the trap empties like a barometer. back in the days when entire plumbing was within five feet of the single stack vent.

fumes in a septic tank and even in a municpial sewer can be under pressure the fumes simply can bubble through the water in the trap and cause the same problem.

traps and vents are related!

The purpose of the trap is to form a water seal which prevents sewer gas from entering the building.

The purpose of the vent is to assure that the water in the trap is not pushed or sucked out by the movement of water through other parts of the drainage system.

vents also break vacuums so water flows down the pipes faster. remember the catsup bottle analogy? they let fresh air in and foul air out and equalize pressures.

a running trap or house trap alone didnt do the job. this is why all fixtures non mechanically draining fixtures have to be trapped and vented now. when all fixtures are trapped and vented and the main is also vented the running trap becomes obsolete except for the cleanouts.

canuk
Re: Plumbing experts-? traps
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

house traps/masons traps/running traps arent legal in many areas with dedicated sanitary only sewer systems. they went the way of the drum traps and cesspools - obsolete. still think its legit question? lots of advances in santiary plumbing since 1920s!

why? they tend to get sucked dry from other drainage activites downstream in the sewer and tend to hold solids/clog. weather/pressure changes and the trap empties like a barometer. back in the days when entire plumbing was within five feet of the single stack vent.

fumes in a septic tank and even in a municpial sewer can be under pressure the fumes simply can bubble through the water in the trap and cause the same problem.

traps and vents are related!

The purpose of the trap is to form a water seal which prevents sewer gas from entering the building.

The purpose of the vent is to assure that the water in the trap is not pushed or sucked out by the movement of water through other parts of the drainage system.

vents also break vacuums so water flows down the pipes faster. remember the catsup bottle analogy? they let fresh air in and foul air out and equalize pressures.

a running trap or house trap alone didnt do the job. this is why all fixtures non mechanically draining fixtures have to be trapped and vented now. when all fixtures are trapped and vented and the main is also vented the running trap becomes obsolete except for the cleanouts.

just wondering

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