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djohns
Re: outlets and junction box

Leslie again . :D

goldhiller
Re: outlets and junction box

Yup.

I knew that the first time this particular alter posted....way back when. Bet you did too.

She doesn't fool anyone, but she keeps trying nonetheless. Must not have anything productive to do with her time. Kinda sad, really.

buzzbuzz
Re: outlets and junction box
goldhiller
Re: outlets and junction box

And here we go...yet again.

Kinda like playing......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whack-a-mole

Ernie_Fergler
Re: outlets and junction box
canuk wrote:

Extension cords should only be considered as temporary use .... anything outside of that is irresponsible to suggest otherwise.

I agree, but lets face it are they?:D

canuk
Re: outlets and junction box
Ernie_Fergler wrote:

I tend to agree with what you are posting. But it has been my experience when homeowners run short of outlets they use extension cords. Like those crappy 18 gauge brown or white useless items. Now that is what I want heating up my carpets. :eek:

Gives a new meaning to in floor heating.;)

canuk
Re: outlets and junction box
Fencepost wrote:

canuk, do they use the NEC in Canada, too, or does Canada have its own code? I know that the electrical system is nearly identical to that in the US.

No.
The National Electrical Code ( NEC ) is for the US only.

We have the Canadian Electrical Code which is very similar though there are differences ..... like the number of devices allowed on a general 15 amp circuit is limited to 12 ( as previously mentioned ).

canuk
Re: outlets and junction box
Fencepost wrote:

No, canuk, not as I interpret the code requirements. There is a 2 foot range along your walls that is between 6 and 7 feet from the nearest outlet (no, my math isn't funny), which is not permissible. Now, if on the long wall the outlet was only 10 feet from the corner, that WOULD be permissible. Four feet from the corner along the long wall is 6 feet from the outlet on the short wall.

Another poster lamented that the inspector made him place a floor outlet between two sliding glass doors. This is because the fixed panels of the doors are considered usable wall space and hence must have an outlet within reach. You are not permitted to cross a doorway or opening to reach an outlet in order to meet the coed requirements. In my opinion, his inspector had a correct interpretation of the code. Now if that poster had arranged the doors so the sliding panels were adjacent, no floor outlet would have been necessary.

canuk, do they use the NEC in Canada, too, or does Canada have its own code? I know that the electrical system is nearly identical to that in the US.

Will this be allowed ?

goldhiller
Re: outlets and junction box
canuk wrote:

Will this be allowed ?

Let's hope not. :D

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: outlets and junction box

2008 NEC:

210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets. This section
provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere re-
ceptacle outlets. The receptacles required by this section
shall be in addition to any receptacle that is:

  • (1) Part of a luminaire or appliance, or
  • (2) Controlled by a wall switch in accordance with 210.70(A)(1), Exception No. 1, or
  • (3) Located within cabinets or cupboards, or
  • (4) Located more than 1.7 in (5-1/2 ft) above the floor

Permanently installed electric baseboard heaters equipped
with factory-installed receptacle outlets or outlets provided as
a separate assembly by the manufacturer shall be permitted as
the required outlet or outlets for the wall space utilized by
such permanently installed heaters. Such receptacle outlets
shall not be connected to the heater circuits.
FPN: Listed baseboard heaters include instructions that may not permit their installation below receptacle outlets.
(A) General Provisions. In every kitchen, family room,
dining room, living room, parlor, library, den, sunroom,
bedroom, recreation room, or similar room or area of
dwelling units, receptacle outlets shall be installed in accor-
dance with the general provisions specified in 210.52(A)(1)
through (A)(3).

(1) Spacing. Receptacles shall be installed such that no
point measured horizontally [COLOR=red]along the floor line in any wall[/COLOR]
space is more than 1.8 m (6 ft) from [COLOR=red]a receptacle outlet[/COLOR].

(2) Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall

include the following:

  • (1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including space measured around corners) and unbroken along the floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings.
  • (2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls, excluding sliding panels
  • (3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers such as free-standing bar-type counters or railings

(3) Floor Receptacles. Receptacle outlets in floors shall
not be counted as part of the required number of receptacle
outlets unless located within 450 mm (18 in.) of the wall.

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