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A. Spruce
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
raidencmc wrote:

You guys really some sort of Hatfield and McCoy thing going on. I think I am gonna start this in a new thread an please don't fight this time.

Sadly, this is a troll that only goes away when yet another alias of hers gets banned, which unfortunately, takes an act of God.

If you start another thread, she'll confuse you in that one as well. She enjoys using big words and convoluting simple problems with assumptions and assertions of her own. She makes herself sound knowledgeable, however, time and again she is proven wrong by the real live electricians that populate this site.

raidencmc
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

I was a little off in my understanding of MWBC but it seems to make sense now.

JLMCDANIEL wrote:

raidencmc,

These two breakers should be tied together so you can't turn off one without turning off the other. This is a safety consideration because if you are working on the circuit and only one breaker is off it is possible to get feedback on the neutral from the other circuit.

Some where it mentioned that the breakers are tied together so if one has a problem and kicks the other kicks as well. Possibly electric will travel along the neutral of the kicked circuit causing more problems as if the breaker never kicked? So I need to get something that physically connects the 2 breakers or run 2 new wires for simplicity sake?

JLMCDANIEL wrote:

You kitchen circuit should be separate from the outside circuit but both should be protected by GFCI. However, you do not need a 2 pole GFCI breaker. Moon apparently doesn't understand and didn't Google the real purpose or function of a GFCI.
Jack

Both receptacles in the kitchen are GFCI. One is connected to a coffee pot and the other is a toaster. Can I parallel them together so they are on one 20amp breaker? I am just trying to free up the panel a bit cause I built a garage and would like the extra circuits for it and room up top.

I am not leaving this house for a long time. I don't want to re-engineer the wiring in the house but if I am gonna make changes I want them to be up to code.

With the outdoor receptacle I have 2 out back that share a 20 amp breaker and if I am changing things around I was gonna add the front to the back.

raidencmc
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

I think it is sad you guys are not getting along. I did not think her info was to bad. It was thorough, but the delivery was not that great. Thanks to all who are still helping me out and thanks to yes Leslie.

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
raidencmc wrote:

I think it is sad you guys are not getting along. I did not think her info was to bad. It was thorough, but the delivery was not that great. Thanks to all who are still helping me out and thanks to yes Leslie.

With enough drugs it will be okay....... Pats on head.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
raidencmc wrote:

I was a little off in my understanding of MWBC but it seems to make sense now.

Some where it mentioned that the breakers are tied together so if one has a problem and kicks the other kicks as well. Possibly electric will travel along the neutral of the kicked circuit causing more problems as if the breaker never kicked? So I need to get something that physically connects the 2 breakers or run 2 new wires for simplicity sake? You can pick up a device at a big box store or electrical supply house to lock the two together or you could replace the 3 cond cable with 2 seperate 2 cond cables.

Both receptacles in the kitchen are GFCI. One is connected to a coffee pot and the other is a toaster. Can I parallel them together so they are on one 20amp breaker? I am just trying to free up the panel a bit cause I built a garage and would like the extra circuits for it and room up top. By current code you need two 20 amp circuits in the kitchen for small appliance receptacles. I don't know what else you have in there.

I am not leaving this house for a long time. I don't want to re-engineer the wiring in the house but if I am gonna make changes I want them to be up to code.

With the outdoor receptacle I have 2 out back that share a 20 amp breaker and if I am changing things around I was gonna add the front to the back.This would not be a problem.

If you need a space or two in the panel you may be able to install double mini breakers. They give you 2 breakers in the space for one.
Jack

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
raidencmc wrote:

I think it is sad you guys are not getting along. I did not think her info was to bad. It was thorough, but the delivery was not that great. Thanks to all who are still helping me out and thanks to yes Leslie.

The problem is that when information is presented as authoritative but not based on actual knowledge it is difficult for those less knowledgeable to know what is correct and what is not.
Jack

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
JLMCDANIEL wrote:

The problem is that when information is presented as authoritative but not based on actual knowledge it is difficult for those less knowledgeable to know what is correct and what is not.
Jack

But JMLCD knows what is knowledgeable....... LOL!

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

NEC if you don't behave, I won't let you out of the cage tomorrow.:D
Jack

canuk
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

Now , now ---- you kids behave. :D

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

I pulled my bass out and tuned it....... Lets have some fun!

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