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A. Spruce
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
havanagranite wrote:

not hardly and you know who I'm talking about:)

Does it smell like a dwarfwytch?

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
Moon Over My Hammy wrote:

It is important to clarify if you are referring to a multi-wire branch-circuit (its still one circuit - just more than one hot sharing the same neutral) or just a multi-outlet branch circuit with more than one GFCI receptacle on it.

I do NOT KNOW WHAT A "multibranch circuit" is or what you mean.

IF you have a MULTIWIRE BRANCH CIRCUIT you would know this IF
You went to your PANEL.

Each "hot" of a multiwire branch circuit would be supplied from a different buss. In a 120/240 split single phase that would have one hot from the "A" leaf or buss and the other hot from the "B" leaf or buss. They would SHARE the neutral.

IF you have a MWBC supplying - you SHOULD have a single 120/240 multi-pole GFCI circuit breaker protecting the circuit in the panel. It is very important that should one hot of a MWBC be opened - all HOTS of the same MWBC be opened AT THE SAME TIME.
Don't know where in the world you are posting from or what is minimum requirements for your location, but this is the latest minimum standard in the NEC, and is the minimum requirement for personal safety.

Otherwise pull new circuit cables and run separate 2-wire (plus ground) circuits for your two Small Appliance Branch Circuits required for the kitchen countertop.

The outdoor porch outlet should be GFCI protected and weatherproof cover. It should not be supplied by small appliance branch circuits required for the kitchen countertop.

There are many ways to provide GFCI protection for a circuit or receptacle location. In the case of a MWBC there is really only one safe way to do so and involves first protecting the entire multiwire branch-circuit with a single GFCI Multipole circuit breaker at the panel.

Here is a photo to go with the advice......

Moon Over My Hammy
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
NEC wrote:

I can quote code after code from the NEC but basically you need two 20a small appliance circuits which just serve receptacles for eating areas......... Not outside receptacles.

Do it. That's not what the NEC says.

Who knows WHAT code or edition or ammendments, applies or where he lives.

However NO edition of the National Electrical Code says exactly what the poster calling himself NEC said it says.

Hint: Countertops. Hint: Exceptions.

20 amp MWBC is acceptable and National Electrical Code compliant to supply kitchen countertop receptacles.

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
Moon Over My Hammy wrote:

Do it. That's not what the NEC says.

Who knows WHAT code or edition or ammendments, applies or where he lives.

However NO edition of the National Electrical Code says exactly what the poster calling himself NEC said it says.

Hint: Countertops. Hint: Exceptions.

20 amp MWBC is acceptable and National Electrical Code compliant to supply kitchen countertop receptacles.

LOL!

Hey Leslie. Did they let you out of the nut house? Or, did you get a pass to use the internet?

Timothy Miller
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

Fellas come on Happy New Year the postings i get to enjoy here have helped me allot. Some sure can write it way better then me and surely know much more too. Thanks. Be good to each other at least now at least today.

havanagranite
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
A. Spruce wrote:

Does it smell like a dwarfwytch?

we all know how she can ruin a thread fast

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
Timothy Miller wrote:

Feels come on Happy New Year the postings i get to enjoy here have helped me allot. Some sure can write it way better then me and surely know much more too. Thanks. Be good to each other at least now at least today.

Tim:

If you only knew, if you only knew.

A. Spruce
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci
Timothy Miller wrote:

Fellas come on Happy New Year the postings i get to enjoy here have helped me allot. Some sure can write it way better then me and surely know much more too. Thanks. Be good to each other at least now at least today.

I would agree with you Tim, however this troll has had many lives and many alias', most of which have been banned. Please forgive our intolerance of a problem that has plagued TOH for years. When your eyes start to roll into the back of your head from the misinformation, misdirection, and tirades that this individual perpetrates, you'll soon tire of her as we have.

havanagranite
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

when I first came here I actually came to her defense. but it quickly becomes obvious that her intent is not really to help but rather only to build her ego. and this is done at the expense of everyone around her. she is the master of google search and when you try to bring in real life experience she thinks her google trumps your experience not wanting to admit that anyone can type anything onto a web page regardless of its truthfullness. her condescending attitude and tirades when disagreed with are unmatched and she will go on her triades without provocation

NEC
Re: Outdoor outlets and kitchen gfci

I was the very first to experience this whacked out woman years ago. She showed up at TOH asking questions about rewiring her kitchen.

She belongs in a Stephen King novel.

Whacko!

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