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Rebekah
Non load bearing walls still need support beams?
Rebekah

We are wanting to remove two walls boxing our kitchen in. We had a structural engineer out to determine if the walls could be removed. He determined that they were non load bearing and told us that could be. However when we got his written report, he said even though they were non load bearing we still had to put 4x4 beams in the ceiling where the walls used to be... one of them bolted to the stresses. Why would we need to do this if the walls aren't load bearing?

dj1
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dj1

By removing an existing wall, and in your case two walls, the engineer wants to make sure your joists still have good enough support, so they don't start sagging in the future.

ed21
Re: Non load bearing walls still need support beams?
ed21

Since you paid for a report ask the structural engineer why when he said the wall was non-bearing. Dj1 probably nailed it. BTW- a 4x4 isn't much of a beam, but I don't know the particulars. You said "bolted to stresses" did you mean trusses?

dj1
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dj1

Quote: "BTW- a 4x4 isn't much of a beam, but I don't know the particulars."

That's right, 4x6 are used for window headers narrower than 4' and you will need beefier beam for what you are doing, so 4x4 is out of consideration.

Mastercarpentry
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Mastercarpentry

If you paid for an Engineer he should have provided clear concise instructions on how to proceed, because he would be professionally responsible for any structural deficiencies resulting from following his advice or from giving no advice at all.

I use concealed beams in the attic to obtain a clean flat ceiling after wall removal. They must be well-connected to the joists/trusses and well-supported on the ends, but as long as you can achieve that a beam will hold equally from above as from below. Find out what your inspectors will want to see here before you start to avoid re-doing the work as each will vary in how they want the attachment done since it's a non-standard situation.

Phil

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