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A. Spruce
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A. Spruce
JLMCDANIEL wrote:

I wouldn't hire sprucey, my beer budget isn't large enough.:D
Jack

Ouch, Jack! :eek: If it helps, I work for rum too. :p

JLMCDANIEL wrote:

You weennies, wait to you get to my age!:eek:

Jack

How old is dirt, anyway? :eek:

I admit, I feel older than I should. Comes from sitting at a desk the last few years ...

smarje1
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smarje1

I am going to build separate cabinets and not the built in type. JL makes a good point about them being more interchangeable. My Beautiful wife will have that kitchen rearranged 30 different ways before we are gone.

As for blades, I was thinking freud or Forrest. I was actually a little surprised to see that Forrest blades are only $100. I would have guessed they would be more.

The wife and I are heading to lowes sometime in the next week to get a quote on cabinets. she wants to see how much money i am going to save by doing this project which will hopefully grease the wheels for some new additions to my woodshop.

I'm only 27 and am just now starting to understand what you guys are talking about. I've had physical jobs up until a few months ago, now I'm behind a desk and come home sore everyday. I need to start running again.

By the way, you guys can all come up and give me a hand with the house next month. I will have plenty of beer!

A. Spruce
Re: Making my own Kitchen Cabinets
A. Spruce
smarje1 wrote:

I am going to build separate cabinets and not the built in type. JL makes a good point about them being more interchangeable. My Beautiful wife will have that kitchen rearranged 30 different ways before we are gone.

She will only be able to change her mind to a point, when you start cutting materials, it starts costing money to make changes, so judicious pre-planning is a must. This doesn't mean that minor changes can't be made on the fly, but you don't want to be in the middle of a piece then have to trash it because of a plan change. I would recommend mocking up with cardboard and sawhorses (did you see the last TOH project? ), or at least tape on the floor to outline cabinet areas, appliances, etc. Have a strong plan already in your head before you start, otherwise you're never going to get it finished, and the finished product will suffer.

smarje1 wrote:

As for blades, I was thinking freud or Forrest. I was actually a little surprised to see that Forrest blades are only $100. I would have guessed they would be more.

Forrest are excellent blades. Best of all, they well resharpen any brand for a reasonable fee. I've got their dado set and it cuts like a hot knife through butter and is super easy to set up. Freud is also a good brand. A quick tip for you, when you think a blade is starting to dull, take it out and hose it down with oven cleaner. Brush it with a nylon brush, and rinse well. Dry off as best you can - do not use heat. a good percentage of the time, it is sap build up on the edges of the blade that cause it to seem dull, the oven cleaner removes that gum, allowing the blade to do its job once again.

smarje1 wrote:

The wife and I are heading to lowes sometime in the next week to get a quote on cabinets. she wants to see how much money i am going to save by doing this project which will hopefully grease the wheels for some new additions to my woodshop.

Building your own cabinets and furniture isn't about saving money, because in reality, the shop equipment, time investment, and materials tend to add up to more than what you can purchase most things for. What you should be looking at is the quality of that which is commonly available against what you're able to produce yourself. It takes very little talent or equipment to surpass far and above that which the likes of Lowes or any other big box can produce. Not only that, you can account for specific job site anomalies that will cost you big bucks from big box vendors. On top of that, there is a deep sense of pride for doing your own work. None of this means that you won't be able to milk the job for a few new toys that you just can't live without! On the contrary, this is the perfect excuse to stock yourself with all kinds of tasty new toys that will delight you for years to come.

smarje1 wrote:

I'm only 27 and am just now starting to understand what you guys are talking about. I've had physical jobs up until a few months ago, now I'm behind a desk and come home sore everyday. I need to start running again.

By the way, you guys can all come up and give me a hand with the house next month. I will have plenty of beer!

You're just a young'n yet. You're probably not even wearing long britches yet. ;):p

Oh, wait, what? Did someone say beer? :p;)

bp21901
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bp21901

Just did a search on Amazon for forrest blades and the WWII started at $90 and went up from there. Some of the lower prices may have had higher shipping, didn't look that far.

A. Spruce
Re: Making my own Kitchen Cabinets
A. Spruce
bp21901 wrote:

Just did a search on Amazon for forrest blades and the WWII started at $90 and went up from there. Some of the lower prices may have had higher shipping, didn't look that far.

You have to be careful purchasing from Amazon. It's a great place, but it's easy to buy from an outside seller, which means that shipping charges can get exorbitant and complaints/returns are not as easy when there are problems. I've bought a lot of stuff from Tool Cribb, which I believe is now part of Northern Tools.

sabo4545
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sabo4545

Building your own cabinets is a great experience. I just finished up doing my own, just have to make and add the crown molding. As was mentioned you probably won't save much if any money unless you already owned the tools. But the quality is much better than the cheap particle board or mdf stuff you get at the big box store.

As far as saw blades I love the Freud Diablo line. I have a Forrest WWII and I have found the Diablo's almost match the performance for at least 1/2 the price. I have one on both my 3hp cabinet saw and my 1-1/2 hp little table saw. On the little table saw I have ripped 5/4 mahogany without any difficulty. Good luck on your project and have fun.

smarje1
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smarje1

I figured I would only count the cost of materials into my "saving money" equation. I have more time than money and the new tools I acquire will be my bonus.
We are going to have a double oven in the kitchen so will i need to buy the oven first or are the dimensions pretty standard? Same question for the sink. We are going with an apron front (farmhouse) sink so will I need to buy the sink first so I can build the sink base around the dimensions of the sink?

bp21901
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bp21901

The height of double wall ovens are not standard. However, you can do what cabinet mfg's do and make the cabinet with the opening smaller than you know it has to be and then trim it to fit the oven you end up choosing.

Admittedly that was the most nervous I have been on a cut and I measured a bunch of times over the course of two days, triple checked the clamps I had on my guides and measured a couple more times before taking a deep breath and cutting very slowly and carefully. It wasn't so much the cost of the cabinet, it would have been the pain of hearing about it for the next 20 years as my wife would have never let me forget it.

sabo4545
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sabo4545

A couple of years ago my parents had to replace their double oven that after 30 years was no longer worth fixing. They couldn't find one that fit the opening so they had to go with one slightly larger. I used a jig saw to make the rough cut leaving about 1/8" left to remove. Then I attached wood strips to the inside of the cabinet at the width and height I needed and used a router and flush trim bit to make the final clean up. Worked perfect.

Mike

smarje1
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smarje1

Found out today everything is good with the deal for the house. Appraised for $20k above what we are paying for which was a nice surprise. Now just waiting until April 9th for the close. Can't wait to get Demo going.

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