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Blue RidgeParkway
Re: Coping moldings
terryoneill wrote:

I would like to know if there are any tools, saws or jigs that can be used for coping baseboards or crown molding

Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

yes there is!

a coping saw
a pencil
a piece of moulding cut at 90 degrees used as a tracing templet.

JLMCDANIEL wrote:

If you cut the moulding at 45 degrees you don't need to trace the outline.
Jack

A. Spruce wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out how this works ...

A piece of molding cut at 90 degrees would be a butt cut, which wouldn't match up too well against anything with a profile, much less if the profile is canted as is the case of crown molding.

baseboard, shoe, etc: first of all pre-mitring a coped joint is NOT the only way to do it, and back in the day, it just wasn't done for flat moulding. milled moulding was VERY EXPENSIVE back in the day! you WASTE A LOT of board feet of moulding pre-mitering EVERYTHING, and it is unnecessary to do so and often WORSE to do so especially with OLD homes where nothing, including the floor, is straight, square, plumb, level, flat or true.

you trace the profile outline from your scrap templet piece ON THE BACK (wall side) of the moulding to be coped to the piece that was installed with a butt cut or into a corner. leave the line as you use the coping saw. you can offset that as needed by the change in plane floor, wall bowing, etc.

files come in handy when fine tuning complicated cuts such as moulding on an angle that runs with stairs when it meets horizontal or vertical at a corner.

havanagranite
Re: Coping moldings
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

baseboard, shoe, etc: first of all pre-mitring a coped joint is NOT the only way to do it, and back in the day, it just wasn't done for flat moulding. milled moulding was VERY EXPENSIVE back in the day! you WASTE A LOT of board feet of moulding pre-mitering EVERYTHING, and it is unnecessary to do so and often WORSE to do so especially with OLD homes where nothing, including the floor, is straight, square, plumb, level, flat or true.

you trace the profile outline from your scrap templet piece ON THE BACK (wall side) of the moulding to be coped to the piece that was installed with a butt cut or into a corner. leave the line as you use the coping saw. you can offset that as needed by the change in plane floor, wall bowing, etc.

you waste nothing by mitering, and is actually very material efficient. You say back in the day as if you have past experience doing this? you have never stated what your experience is, though you act as a professional for plumbing, electrical, fire ratings, drywall, framing, and finished trim out?

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Coping moldings

Actually, back in the day or shoot it with a hand plane and miter jig.
Jack

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: Coping moldings
jkirk wrote:

if its in a house with an extremely annoying women we mitre and dont recut if the joint doesnt fit

neither a power saw nor a power mitre saw is required to do trim work. the original poster asked about coping moulding. the original poster did not ask about production trim work and from your description of shoddy work you intentionally do for women who request high end trim packages you already indicated YOU just mitre the crown and LEAVE GAPS so what does that say about you?

BACK IN THE DAY grain matching was often done. Carved pieces, complicated details, folks cared about this especially when working with more exotic higher end grains. Trim carpentry was done by REAL CRAFTSMEN who cared about QUALITY. A properly done coped joint will appear nearly seemless and will appear closed even as the wood shrinks and expands and doesn't rely on GLUE, PUTTY, FILLER, PAINT to look good.

You OBVIOUSLY aren't familiar with HOW one copes WITHOUT pre-mitring or relying on POWER TOOLS. THREE of you claimed it didn't make sense or you couldn't figure out HOW it was done. I explained HOW it was done. pre-mitering is UNNECESSARY and in many REAL LIFE applications actually DETERS from an IDEAL coped joint. I explained how the OLD-TIMERS created those QUALITY coped joints. I learned how from a REAL craftsman who was renouned for not only quality and custom HIGH-END trim installations but designing and creating custom TRULY built-in-place cabinetry work. Ya'll doubted it could be done how I said it was done and as usual started your usual TRASH. your claims about how little you waste by pre-mitering only proves how disingenuous you are.

havanagranite
Re: Coping moldings
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

neither a power saw nor a power mitre saw is required to do trim work. the original poster asked about coping moulding. the original poster did not ask about production trim work and from your description of shoddy work you intentionally do for women who request high end trim packages you already indicated YOU just mitre the crown and LEAVE GAPS so what does that say about you?

BACK IN THE DAY grain matching was often done. Carved pieces, complicated details, folks cared about this especially when working with more exotic higher end grains. Trim carpentry was done by REAL CRAFTSMEN who cared about QUALITY. A properly done coped joint will appear nearly seemless and will appear closed even as the wood shrinks and expands and doesn't rely on GLUE, PUTTY, FILLER, PAINT to look good.

You OBVIOUSLY aren't familiar with HOW one copes WITHOUT pre-mitring or relying on POWER TOOLS. THREE of you claimed it didn't make sense or you couldn't figure out HOW it was done. I explained HOW it was done. pre-mitering is UNNECESSARY and in many REAL LIFE applications actually DETERS from an IDEAL coped joint. I explained how the OLD-TIMERS created those QUALITY coped joints. I learned how from a REAL craftsman who was renouned for not only quality and custom HIGH-END trim installations but designing and creating custom TRULY built-in-place cabinetry work. Ya'll doubted it could be done how I said it was done and as usual started your usual TRASH. your claims about how little you waste by pre-mitering only proves how disingenuous you are.

your thinking mitering wastes material, and because you state you learned it from an old timer real craftsman belies your claim of knowledge in this area. please stick to areas of real world experience from yourself and not google experience because you are falling way short

havanagranite
Re: Coping moldings
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

neither a power saw nor a power mitre saw is required to do trim work. the original poster asked about coping moulding. the original poster did not ask about production trim work and from your description of shoddy work you intentionally do for women who request high end trim packages you already indicated YOU just mitre the crown and LEAVE GAPS so what does that say about you?

BACK IN THE DAY grain matching was often done. Carved pieces, complicated details, folks cared about this especially when working with more exotic higher end grains. Trim carpentry was done by REAL CRAFTSMEN who cared about QUALITY. A properly done coped joint will appear nearly seemless and will appear closed even as the wood shrinks and expands and doesn't rely on GLUE, PUTTY, FILLER, PAINT to look good.

You OBVIOUSLY aren't familiar with HOW one copes WITHOUT pre-mitring or relying on POWER TOOLS. THREE of you claimed it didn't make sense or you couldn't figure out HOW it was done. I explained HOW it was done. pre-mitering is UNNECESSARY and in many REAL LIFE applications actually DETERS from an IDEAL coped joint. I explained how the OLD-TIMERS created those QUALITY coped joints. I learned how from a REAL craftsman who was renouned for not only quality and custom HIGH-END trim installations but designing and creating custom TRULY built-in-place cabinetry work. Ya'll doubted it could be done how I said it was done and as usual started your usual TRASH. your claims about how little you waste by pre-mitering only proves how disingenuous you are.

lets see now this link where norm says you get a better joint by mitering,
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1212450,00.html

and you know more then him?? I doubt it..

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: Coping moldings
havanagranite wrote:

your thinking mitering wastes material, and because you state you learned it from an old timer real craftsman belies your claim of knowledge in this area. please stick to areas of real world experience from yourself and not google experience because you are falling way short

havanagranite wrote:

lets see now this link where norm says you get a better joint by mitering,
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/asktoh/question/0,,1212450,00.html

and you know more then him?? I doubt it..

PIG SLOP. Mitre planers weren't even around back in the day. coped joints have been around long before there were power tools! and that's NOT what Norm "said" in that article link nor anywhere.

JLMCDANIEL
Re: Coping moldings
Blue RidgeParkway wrote:

PIG SLOP. Mitre planers weren't even around back in the day. coped joints have been around long before there were power tools! and that's NOT what Norm "said" in that article link nor anywhere.

Well let's see, Mitre planers wow Brit./Canadian spelling.

Factory produced Miter Planners have been around since at least 1882 http://home.earthlink.net/~wesg/rogers.htm and shop made shooting jigs for hand planing well before that and who knows how long miter saws and boxes have been around. So just what do you mean by "back in the day"?

And who was this "REAL craftsman who was [COLOR=red]renouned (sp) for not only quality and custom HIGH-END trim installations but designing and creating custom TRULY built-in-place cabinetry work[/COLOR]" that you learned from?

Jack

A. Spruce
Re: Coping moldings
JLMCDANIEL wrote:

And who was this "REAL craftsman who was [COLOR=red]renouned (sp) for not only quality and custom HIGH-END trim installations but designing and creating custom TRULY built-in-place cabinetry work[/COLOR]" that you learned from?

Jack

It was her great grandpa Google, taught her everything she knows! Yet another instance where a useless and off topic diatribe from Blue Ridge Parkway - an unlicensed, untrained, and unexperienced individual confuses the subject.

Blue RidgeParkway
Re: Coping moldings

wallow in your own filth, thread trashers and bashers.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." - KJV, Matthew 7:6

(idiomatic) To give things of value to those who will not understand or appreciate it.

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