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smoss121
attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
smoss121

I was trying to attached wood shutters to an old house that has brick on the outside. I tried to attached the bricks using concrete/brick screws but when I went to drill the pilot hole into the bricks with a masonry bit, the bit was not able to drill the hole. The bit was brand new. The brick and mortar was too hard and it burned the bit up making it useless. I noticed that when I took the shutters down there were holes in the mortar that was filled with what look like a wooden plug or dowel and that is how the shutters were originally attached to the house. There was a piece of wood that was screwed into the wood dowels and then the shutters were attached to the wood and that is how the shutters were attached to the house.

Is anybody familiar with this technique. The shutters were up for many years(at least over 25). Does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can attached the shutters or how would I get a wood plug or piece of dowel to stay in the drilled out holes so they can be strong enough to support wooden shutters.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

dj1
Re: attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
dj1

There are various anchors on the market today. Get yourself a set on new anchors, quality exterior screws and do as instructed. Use quality masonry bit (they go dull fairly quickly) and use your power drill correctly.

It's not rocket science, yet, you got to know how to do it.

Sombreuil_mongrel
Re: attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
Sombreuil_mongrel

Why can't you continue to use the original method? It beats having to drill a second set of holes, and perhaps crack your brick. The mortar is replaceable easier than the brick. Remove the old wood plug, make new ones with a hatchet and softwood, drive them in.
Casey

Mastercarpentry
Re: attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
Mastercarpentry

Just to add that the generic 'tapcon' bits sold at the big-box stores are pretty much junk when you hit something hard. The 'Tapcon" brand ones are better. I'm still using ones I bought off Ebay long ago, don't remember the brand but they are 5 times better than even the 'tapcon' brand bits. The best I've seen at retail are the "Blu-Mol" bits, I think Irwin makes them (could be wrong there).

Don't force masonry bits- let the tool do the work and use just enough pressure to maintain contact. However hard you pushed the last time is the minimum it will take to cut the next time, and soon the bit goes up in smoke when you push hard. The bits I allude to above are 8+ years old and I've still got about 4-5 of the twenty I bought. I drill holes as fast as anyone else does because my bits are always sharp- and now you know why.

Phil

ed21
Re: attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
ed21
smoss121 wrote:

I was trying to attached wood shutters to an old house that has brick on the outside. I tried to attached the bricks using concrete/brick screws but when I went to drill the pilot hole into the bricks with a masonry bit, the bit was not able to drill the hole. The bit was brand new. The brick and mortar was too hard and it burned the bit up making it useless. I noticed that when I took the shutters down there were holes in the mortar that was filled with what look like a wooden plug or dowel and that is how the shutters were originally attached to the house. There was a piece of wood that was screwed into the wood dowels and then the shutters were attached to the wood and that is how the shutters were attached to the house.

Is anybody familiar with this technique. The shutters were up for many years(at least over 25). Does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can attached the shutters or how would I get a wood plug or piece of dowel to stay in the drilled out holes so they can be strong enough to support wooden shutters.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

What looked like wood dowels may have been lead anchors. The lead is wrapped with a jute like material. Anyway they are a low tech anchor that work well in masonry. If you can dig out the old material, new anchors can be inserted. They are also known as rawl plugs I think. The soft lead expands enough when a screw is inserted to grip the masonry or mortar.

hollasboy
Re: attaching wood shutters to a brick house that has really hard brick
hollasboy

Nothing beats a heavy duty hammer drill. I use Tapcon screws all the time in very hard brick with no problem, because I make sure I use the properly just-under-sized Tapcon bit with a hammer drill. Goes in like a hot knife through butter, and the screw always holds tight. Only potential problem is overtightening and stripping out the hole. But of course, that is an art form that applies to all fasteners.

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